Nostalgia™ (by Veidt)
(Don’t mind me. I’ve just been re-reading Watchmen to prep for the movie. Now on to the actual post.)

Lindsay, as the Nostalgia Chick, rolls her eyes at our childhood "favorites"
Back in August, Doug Walker, better known as the Nostalgia Critic or “that guy with the glasses,” announced a contest to find the Nostalgia Chick. I was not watching the site at the time, so I have to admit I cannot quite gauge the actual fan reaction, but judging by the comments left behind, I think that, aside from a few, soundly mocked protestations that women were neither funny nor on the internet, it was met with enthusiasm.
For about a year, Doug had been producing videos of himself mocking the nostalgic movies and tv shows of the 80’s and early 90’s–Power Rangers, The Super Mario Brothers Movie, He-Man, etc.–launching himself to at least minor internet celebrity. He’d moved from Youtube to his own page, gained fans, added other reviewers to his site, and even ended up with his own Wikipedia page. But he realized that his approach to nostalgic media was missing all the trashy franchises that were marketed towards the women of his generation. There needed to be a “Nostalgia Chick” to go with the critic*.
Enter Lindsay Ellis, film student. She’s actually a friend of mine from a study abroad program a few years back, and so I’m afraid I can’t claim complete neutrality when writing this post (not to mention it was really easy to get her permission to write it. yay!). (On a side note, I’d feel like a really bad cultural critic if I were reporting an actual conflict instead of making a general observation.)
With her witty and sarcastic video (link goes to the TGWtG website. Video is also available on Youtube) making fun of Disney’s Pocahontas, Lindsay won over the fans and administrators of the “That Guy With the Glasses” site**. But even before accepting the position, she found herself embroiled in the dramatic, troll-filled wasteland that is the realm of internet comments. Believe it or not, the results were surprising.
Now, of course, if you put anything on the internet, you’re bound to get criticism, often very stupid criticism. It’s inevitable. Every reviewer (nay! every review!) on the TGWtG site receives its share of flames. I’m not here to debate whether that should happen or not. Really, what was surprising was not that Lindsay’s appearance on the internet scene had its detractors as well as fans; what’s interesting is the nature of the complaints surrounding Lindsay’s videos. From the very beginning, before she even won the contest, people called her out for the way she talked and the way she dressed. According to one particularly memorable (and frightening) commenter:
I have watched all the nostalgia critic’s videos, so yes, I understand he curses and makes sexual references, but, for every single one of the women applying, when they say the F-word, not only does it not seem fitting for them to cuss in that way, it seemed strained. Maybe it’s my personal preference, but I don’t think it sounds natural.
I know [the Nostalgia Critic] has said he would like to make love to himself, but that’s not selling sexuality, that is humor. He asked if the Disney execs wanted to f*** bunnies, yes, that’s also humor, but he sounds normal when he says it. Again, for all the women, it sounded strained. And yes, Speed Racer dresses up like a sperm, that’s again, humor. For every sexual reference in Lindsay’s video, I just didn’t understand why. It did not make sense to me why you would put that there, it was amusing, but she forced it to be, it really didn’t have much to do with a review of any kind.
In his call out for the Nostalgia Chick, yes he states he has testicles, and yes, part of my problem with Lindsay’s review is that her shirt is cut too low. The Nostalgia Critic can never, in any way, because he has testicles, use them as a tool to get anything for free in life. (Source)
(I’m going to let you make the bitter comments that last sentence merits because if I were to do so, it’d cramp my calm, rational tone. I’m sure you can do a good job with that.)
Unsurprisingly, no one ever really discusses how the Nostalgia Critic dresses. No one seems concerned that he swears or uses sexual humor. But, according to this commenter, by discussing sex, Lindsay automatically draws attention to herself sexually, and not to any of the sexual implications of the Disney movie. Essentially, per this logic, a woman saying, “sex,” is sexual. The Nostalgia Critic, on the other hand, can talk about not wanting to have sex with an anthropomorphized rabbit (see his Space Jam review) without people considering him to bringing his sexuality into the forefront.
The use of swearing, which is pretty much accepted as normal coming from the critic, is criticized as “not fitting” and “strained.” when coming from Lindsay and the other Nostalgia Chick finalists. I somehow find it difficult to believe that all five of the entries chosen happened to be by women who felt uncomfortable cussing and yet decided to swear anyhow. I’m inclined to believe the commenter just was uncomfortable with women saying, “fuck.” <–(Shiver in your boots, why don’t you–I typed it! Oh, and I’m a woman on the internet. Double the horror.) Judgmental of me? Perhaps, but less judgmental, I should think, than his assumption that a woman wearing a shirt that shows a bit of cleavage decided to do so in order to get a free ride.
This comment was a minority opinion (though comment battles raged well into the voting period)–I don’t want to give a misrepresentation of Nostalgia Critic fans. But I think this kind of exaggerated response helps explain the bizarre way many fans have received the Nostalgia Chick. Even though she has the same modus operandi as the critic, fans treat her very differently. Why? Because the same logic that triggered that extremist outrage is still embedded in our culture. Though people do have a genuine appreciation for her comedic talent, fans treat the Nostalgia Chick as a woman before considering her as an entertainer. That is to say that no matter what she says, no matter if the clips of her to clips of the film ratio were to be 1:25 (not an accurate ratio by any means,) by merely being a woman making a video of herself, people consider her to be drawing attention to her physical appearance. Fans have debates within the comment section about whether she’s hotter with or without glasses. They jokingly proposition her. You can argue that this is inevitable, and, for the most part, it’s pretty harmless. I’m not even suggesting finding someone hot is a sign of shallowness or moral weakness. But all the while there is something off about this kind of treatment: Lindsay is not making videos about herself. Her comedy takes center stage in all her videos, and yet many people treat her as if her purpose was to stand there and look pretty. Because, you know, that’s the most important priority in every woman’s life.
As Lindsay continued her reviews, fans began to speculate on the second-most important thing in every woman’s life: her relationship with men.*** When she asked a male friend of hers to appear in her “Top 10 Most Disturbing and Inescapable Christmas Songs,” fans asked her, “was that your brother or your boyfriend?” (source). Apparently straight women can’t have guy friends. More speculation as to Lindsay’s relationship status arose when she did a joint review of the movie Ferngully with the Nostalgia Critic. Although before commenters wondered if “That Guy With the Glasses [aka: Doug] is banging this chick,” using phrasing that makes me wonder if they meant to imply that Lindsay’s (non-existent) connection to Doug was involved in getting her a slot on the site (source,) rumors now reached a boiling point, with people suggesting that they were siblings, married, or dating. Included in this slew were people who were joking that they’d look cute together, and I feel a little uncomfortable accusing those particular comments as being signs of anything other than a tendency to match-make. On the other hand, many of the comments assumed that Lindsay had to have some connection with Doug (other than winning the contest) to have her role. It’d be enough to drive anyone insane.
Nevertheless, Lindsay continues to make videos and make people laugh. Yes, those people who don’t seem to understand that women are both on the internet and in comedy still make sickening comments such as “She’d be hot if she didn’t talk.” And, yes, fans still take the “you’re hot” commentary to disturbing levels and draw pictures of her in swimsuits. She’s learned to ignore it. But as a cultural critic, I can’t resist pointing out how weird this all is, especially in contrast to the kinds of comments that her male counterpart gets. What does it say about our culture that male audiences feel entitled to make this kind of commentary? What does it say about our culture that one of the first concerns voiced by fans when the contest was announced was “since the site is male dominated, any woman is going to be subject to a whole manner of abusive and sexual comments” (source)?
The internet’s a scary place for anyone creative. Add in gender bias, and things get scarier. I’m glad Lindsay’s risen to the challenge.
You can check out the Nostalgia Chick’s videos here or on her Youtube channel.
*I know that some people might object to the “critic/chick” dichotomy, but I’m going to give the website the benefit of the doubt and assume that it ended up this way because the Nostalgia Critic originally was just a solo deal.
**On a side note, the two runners-up ended up with their own segments on the site. I’m not familiar with them, so I’m afraid I can’t include them in this post. But if you have anything to add about them, feel free to share.
***At the risk of being a terrible writer by unnecessarily pointing out my own gag, that was sarcasm.
Whew, that took me longer than I thought it would. Now it’s time to dance around the kitchen do very important, diligent things. Until next time!



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February 11, 2009 at 8:46 am
Kristin Ginger
…I hope that commentator watches her video about Hocus Pocus. I’m sure he has enlightening, logical, non-sexist things to say about the subject of virginity being presented in both the original movie and her take on it.
February 11, 2009 at 10:40 am
Archagon
The Pocahontas video was great. I’m subscribing to her YouTube channel.
February 11, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Mapmaker
I recently found the Nostalgia Chick (via TGWTG via AVGN) and find her as funny as TGWTG. But quite soon I thought, “Crap, she’s an attractive woman doing comedy on the Internet. What kind of response has she had from idiots?” Not brave enough to read comments, I searched to find if maybe she had a blog and ended up here.
Sad to say, I was not at all surprised that all of the comments you describe exist. (Although I am impressed at the presence of bikini art developing in such a short time. It is probably not too long before a Furry Nostalgia Chick appears.) I think a corollary to Gabriel’s G.I.F.T. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/) would be that when a woman is involved, expect all fuckwaddery from males to skyrocket.
I don’t know why guys tend to be such dicks about things. Can women succeed on their own merits, without seducing men? Obviously. Do women swear? You bet your ass they do. If a woman talks about sex or sexuality, does that necessarily mean she wants me or is trying to turn me on? Duh, no. It’s a depressing series of double standards, especially in the realm of comedy, from what I hear.
Anyway, short version: the Internet sucks.
February 12, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Steph
Mapmaker- Oh, believe me, reading through those comments gave me a headache.
November 4, 2009 at 2:37 am
sape101
I agree. Whoever wrote that ridiculous comment was contradicting themselves too many times to be taken seriously, and it was a “headache” for the people reading it. I hope Miss Lindsay Ellis didn’t take that guy’s words to heart or any other ignorant comments for that matter.
Ellis, or the Nostalgia Chick, is very funny and intelligent at the same time. I’m glad she’s attractive. This show pretty woman can do more than just smile. Plus, she’s the most interesting person on the TWGTG website. Her forum is filled with deep information that makes her more than just a comedian. For this reason, she’s much better than the Nostalgia Critic. She’s more versatile too.
February 12, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Archagon
A relevant article you might find interesting: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_17/109-OMG-Girlz-Dont-Exist-on-teh-Intarweb-1
March 12, 2009 at 12:53 am
Fourperson
I don’t think it’s a problem to promote sex in a way the Chick and The Critic does. Too many people are afraid of getting pregnant by touching a penis and man eating vaginas, and doing comedy with concious and separate male and female blocks does a good job in helping people subconciously accept that:
1.:Girls can be funny AND sexy
2.:Guys can be likeable regardless how many times they talk about fucking
3.:There’s no problem with swearing and talking about sex, when it’s done with taste.
4.:Girls and boys can be friends whether they fuck or not, because having sex is completely normal and a (preferably) everyday-need in our lives.
5.:Most of the pornsites are pretty boring and not funny at all.
May 12, 2009 at 6:54 am
Erin
I try not to read comments on videos for this reason. For some reason they’re always full of crap like this.
I have to admit, I sort of thought something different was going on between the Chick and the Critic based on the Ferngully review, but I’m a casual viewer of the website and wasn’t aware of the Nostalgia Chick contest, I just knew that suddenly there was a Nostalgia Chick. Even if that “something different” just meant that they were friends, because they had nice chemistry and their humor works well together.
I think it’s funny that this person said that he thought the Nostalgia Chick’s swearing seemed forced and unnecessary because that’s always what I thought of the Nostalgia Critic. He just seems to swear for the sake of swearing because it’s easier than writing jokes sometimes. He’s still funny, but the swearing sometimes doesn’t feel natural. The Angry Video Game Nerd’s swearing is over the top but it still feels natural to me.
The sexual humor that the Chick uses seems natural and fitting to me. Especially in the Labyrinth video. David Bowie, come on!
May 12, 2009 at 7:01 am
Erin
Another note on swearing: A LOT of times it seems fake when you’re working from a script.
July 2, 2009 at 3:32 am
Dave
I recently got into TGWTG and then stumbled across The Nostalgia Chick. I instantly recognized her from a web-forum I frequent where people were posting pictures of her and talking about how cute she was.
I decided to watch her videos and I think she’s really funny. (The Labyrinth episode was awesome!) Sure she’s really attractive, and being a sexually charged 26 year old man, that is part of her appeal for me. I don’t want to get into some big philosophical discussion on gender-relations, but unless you’re some kind of asexual amoeba, gender and attractiveness are ALWAYS an issue.
Overall, I prefer TGWTG over the Chick because I can relate more to the things he talks about (i.e. I have never watched Teen Witch). But I also look forward to her new videos because she has a novel perspective and talks about things that I am mostly unfamiliar with. Oh and did I mention that pretty she’s funny too?
October 13, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Leke
If you want to see how bad this can get, just check out the comments on YouTube’s HotForWords